First Soul Contact

The Master of The Light - in keeping with his ability to enter into any time zone of choice - fast-forwarded the time lord into 2048 - forty years from when you read this. He entered the castle walls via the rainbow bridge and looked at the situation in 2008 when Pluto had entered structural Capricorn:

In 2048, PLuto opposes Uranus in the same axis it did in the year 5 BC. The Master of The Light reminded the time lord of what 5 BC meant in the bigger picture of the aeon (age) rotation. This exact alignment - from Pisces 9 to Virgo 9 - is in effect once every 2,000 years, if that. It is discussed in "Zen of Stars" where we look beyond the stars...

Now, imagine that 2,000 years ago or so, while Pluto in Pisces was opposed by Uranus in Virgo, a few timeless and guided wise ones in Aramea -- call them sages & seers if you like -- were holding very interesting "talks", kind of like Krishnamurti (known as "The K") was doing during the last century in India, England, Switzerland, and California. But the original or ancient talks we are talking about here were held in what is now known as "The Middle East".

"The K" gave talks that could be taped both on audio and video, and he drew a crowd of unwanted "disciples", ranging from flower power movie and rock stars to future politicians and leaders, some of who became seers and sages in their own right - but that is another story; plus he wrote his own "talks" into his own books, had them published on his own, so we have an advantage in this century to read, hear and see the original words, and what he meant them to mean to say...

"The J" - that is the guy who was known as Jesus or Immanuek - gave talks we have no video of. But now imagine that 2,000 years ago some people who could write were actually recording the "talks" of the sages while they spoke of highly unusual things such as the stars and cosmology, ETs and the invisible worlds. They scribbled the "talks" onto parchments and scrolls. But maybe they only wrote down what they heard after the talks were given, with a failing memory, or "system error." Well yes, and eventually the memory got lost altogether.

Then later even the writings themselves were lost, or made to disappear, or whatever. Then much later you know the rest of the story... the "talks" re-appear in altered fashion, and now we call these talks "The Bible." Now new talks of old talks resurface, we call them now "gospels" or better even "codices", plural for Codex. Now we have with Pluto in the galactic center the ultimate revelation of ancient wisdom: The Judas Codex -- a collection of "Gnostic Files" from beyond the space-time continuum. Meanwhile... what does it mean?


Here is the future or a high tech analogy:

"Error 110101011 --
Belief System Failure"

*

The interesting thing about the Judas Gospel (and by extension all these other Gnostic re-discoveries) hoopla - which is officially a Codex - it is not a Gospel, ok, is that Judas was not part of that system of obfuscation and dis-info - which is going on now as everyone discusses what it means. He was not part of the psy-op known as "religion."

This here - well - is part of a transliteration of Zen of Stars and of what is going on here now: The hiding of the true - or the real - teachings of the sages, whether they came from India, Tibet, or The Middle East makes no difference - and what it really means. Which is what he (they) - (Jesus & Judas) - say/s to the 12 disciples:

"Why do you hide?"

The sage knew that his disciples had no clue who or what he really was since he had come to them from beyond the space time continuum. From a psychic review Ta-Lor woke to consider that these masters of reality were teaching not only that we came from the stars, but that the many forces flying around were ETs, some of who were of the spiritually advanced kind from the future.

All those who understood the original teaching were overthrown through violence; and their cultures and their knowledge bases were destroyed. There was a basic truth that some group did not want passed from generation to generation. And it continues to this day until the lie collapses.

The sages in Aramea said:

"The illusion is over. This is the end. Wake up!"

That was 2,000 years ago, as the age of Pisces dawned. In association with that phenomenon, the dracos, reptilians (and others) began to rewire the hard drive inter-face of the human being as a whole race. They followed up messing around the DNA with a fear-based mass mind control project, to make sure that their configuration did not return to its original form of free human being. The error they created is actually what we now know as "the ego."

You can imagine that your soul, which exists as a dynamic non-physical quantum field - interfaces with your physical form in a similar way you interface with your computer OS operating system. The creator of all that is sets up the XXP system within the DNA - and later the reptilians come along and hack into the system; which is kind of what happened. Here we are now 2,000 years later. We are approaching yet again the famous Pluto-Uranus alignment of 2,000 years ago. By 2048 we are within reach of the light code.





A new aeon dawns, as the Pisces age of belief becomes the Aquarius age of knowing, with the water bearer pouring knowledge of Cosmos over this realm. This is a living medicine sign over the twelve astrological ages, known in the timeless Codex as "aeons"...

You are a little kid and at each stage of your astrological development - and until late in life - your soul is clicking on files, opening them up, working on them. You are akin to an internet connection into the real world, allowing the soul to communicate and interact with reality.

This is what "ID-2025" - FORESEEN online - is perhaps all about. See below what Database ID-2025 is introducing to the internet, at the very bottom . . .

Someone -- however -- wants to disrupt that communication and so they spread a virus, they hack into the operating system. Which makes it real hard for you to use and develop the network you were given at sovereign birth. One way of showing how this affects us (the ego) came to me - was really told to me.

I get up and I switch on the computer and click open a file on the desktop. But the operating system has been hacked into and changed. It has been reconfigured so as not to do what I command. I click to open the file, "First Contact."

But the file does not open - seems gone - because my XP operating system (OS) has got an egotistic identity of its own, created by the hacker program of the believers anti-soul systems. I click on the file and instead of the file opening, another box opens and asks:

"What are you doing?"

So I click again. "What are you doing?"
I am opening the "First Contact" File.

"Why are you opening this file?" Because...
I want to upload a new report onto the server. MY SERVER.

Error 11011010011 * File cannot be found.
Please contact Micro-Belief-Soft Support.-

So, I try again.

Error 1110011010
- system failure

Blue - then blank - screen

Computer crashes . . . will not turn on again.

You follow me? Brain crash. Belief system failure. Melt-down.
A new reality is now envisioned, co-created, as the mind takes flight...

There are many ways to imagine how a damaged operating system (OS) will sabotage your efforts to work through the computer. The corrupted OS is "ego" - me - I - self importance - fear, time, THOUGHT. The thought creates the thinker, remember the Krishnamurti principle? Thought and thinker are ONE.

Ok. What the reptilians did is this:

They introduced a fear virus, or a fear based Trojan into the OS, in order to counter-act the commands of the soul, which means you answer back, rather than carry out the required upgrade as part of your own soul development. As you grow through childhood, at appropriate points, the soul clicks on files that will expand and enhance your development, and to carry out the necessary tasks.

Reading a certain codex from the future, or a soul-expanding and mind-altering book -- Zen of Stars -- is such a "life file of enhancement" . . .

Living in nature is a "file of enhancement", as is planting and eating the right food, healing and protecting the earth, developing new ways to interact with the environment, humanly and energetically engineered economy while moving between the worlds... and so on. But due to the ego, which is time- and fear-based, when the soul-enhancing files get clicked open, thought says: "What's this? What is going on? I am afraid. I don't want this. I can't deal with it. Let me trash it."

The problem you recognize here is this: People run thoughts through their brain machine. Non-stop all the time. Until thoughts run amok, wild, go off on tangents, and take over the whole brain. This reminds me of HAL-9000 in Kubrick and his Space-Odyssey. The human brain disconnects from the human machine.

When that is the case, one must STOP & press PAUSE. Where are these thoughts coming from? Do you see a pattern? Observe! A force field from outside, not of your own making, takes over and sends you thoughts. That is when you want to sit still. Create silence in the mind. Zen of Stars suggests ways by which to achieve this tranquillity - also known as "peace of mind."

All that reaction and reacting behavior comes from thought, which is time- and fear-based, made of ego, interfering with the original OS and this type of interference divides our existence on earth from the first soul contact. All religions, political and scientific systems take the human earth child and they bombard the OS with fear-based Trojans and viruses. They are there to activate the damaged hard drive and to suppress or destroy the original system.

Basically, the human race has been hijacked. This is indeed where things stand now. However, there is good news, but you must be still to see it: Connection to First Source or God is possible from within. However not via the "manuals" known as "scriptures." New directional dimensions and guidance from another continuum are demanded and ordered in.

Remember this: Intelligent Cosmos responds to directives, not to questions. So, Ta-Lor opened the super computer no one had ever operated before, and entered the required commands, using very ancient Tai Chi and Tao Te Ching techniques.

The sign appeared:

In comes "First Contact" // "Database ID-2025" known as:
The "Codex From The Future" & we start all-over again . . .

World Under Siege

Why & How Survival IS An Issue ?

(Photo of icepans in safe place Newfoundland by Lisa Day)


Very soon - as the ice around the world melts away - we have to start thinking about how we will survive in the most essential, basic and down to earth physical ways. The book Zen of Stars treats among other things the topics of structuring the logistics of a home, the resources of your shelter, the growing, and storing of safe food, the back-up of power, energy, and of clean water.

The knowledge of experts from Findhorn – in Scotland – presenting the living machine with alternative or renewable energy and water treatment resources is shown. Beyond physical survival is life itself, "spiritual" life, as it were.

Economic Architects Of The Future

Those interested in ecological businesses and integrity banking who are trying to ride the waves of the system must understand that the entire system is about to collapse. Many years of careful investment potentially could be lost overnight. In the light of this fact, a business investment carefully structured to create a better world, will be lost in the general economic and social turmoil. You may feel “safe” in the knowledge that your lifetime’s work is placed with intelligence into a system that badly needs restructuring.

However, the hard fact approaching us in the years leading to 2007–2012, and beyond, is such that the economic social collapse will not discriminate between your resources and the resources of multi-national corporations.

In the future there are no businessmen and women; there are “economic artists” and caring architects who co-operate through a network of pooled resources and integrity type venture capital. The future “business world” is the creative and innovative realm of economic artists and innovators who can understand and work with the new template structuring society.

Economic ‘high priests’ and financial gurus will no longer supervise the organisation and structuring of societies’ resources because they will have been sent packing; instead the intelligent utilization of earth and of human resources is a matter of highly precise architectural planning and investment design.

The “Cosmic Architect” is a very ancient and powerful concept. The sacred geometry of economics has not yet found its way to the surface of the modern human mind. With a return to this shamans’ knowledge base, the science of economic management becomes the playground of the artist, the creator, and the initiator. To create and maintain social order, Cosmic Design must be initiated into the geography of the human landscape.

Beyond astrology, St.Clair addresses the "World Under Siege" in the FORESEEN blog essay - "THE TEST AHEAD" - updated on 7/7/2007 in this external link:

Read it here: "THE TEST AHEAD"

Read also: "TIME-TRAVEL"

And study: "Climate Change: Dis-Info?"

Study the pdf file: Rense - Will You Survive The Coming Crash?

ZEN OF STARS - FUTURES OF PLANET EARTH:

An Amazing Journey of Inner-Space, June 20, 2007

By Roger Dovre "A Spiritual Warrior" (Grand Forks, ND United States)

- See all my reviews (at Amazon.com)


"This book isn't for average minds, this book isn't for above-average minds; however, this book is for extra-ordinary minds; the peaceful and spiritual warriors of planet Earth and humanity's sake! It is for the ones whom are beginning to awaken to the fact(s) that we've been lied to by multiple and various PTB's in order to control and manipulate everyone for their own service-to-self agendas.

Over the past several years, I've read and studied everything I could in regards to: The coming Earth changes, spirituality, meta-physics, religion, philosophy, psychology, conspiracy theories, extraterrestrials and suppressed technologies. In "Zen of Stars," Mr. St.Clair puts it together with amazing beauty, clarity and honesty.

Mr. St.Clair not only demonstrates, exposes, explains and shows how occult spiritual warfare is being waged against humans, which has been ongoing for thousands of years; he also provides the reader with a system and solution to protecting oneself against these occult, psychic and spiritual attacks.

I truly believe and feel life and reality is about to dramatically unravel before our very own eyes: The earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, tornadoes, rising water levels, economic collapse, more and expanded wars and etc. are just around the corner. Are you prepared or preparing for these events?

"Zen of Stars" is not only about physical preparedness; but also, and more so, about emotional and spiritual preparedness as planet Earth begins to shift into the 4th dimension reality: Quintessentially, this book is a road-map and compass to help humanity navigate through the rough storms and times which are shortly ahead for all of us."

David Byrne - external link: Solutions for Sustainable Living


David Byrne wrote about the book Zen of Stars:

"Michael St.Clair has done something very special with this publication. For he has gone places that few if any could go. As Cosmologist, Astrophysicist, Historian of the ancient world, Shaman, Researcher, Political Observer, and all of the other qualities and Learnedness that becomes him, has been brought to bare in this work.

St.Clair deals with topics that go beyond the drama projection of that which is portrayed as life. He does this in a fearless way, while dealing with difficult subjects.

He writes on the history of a time before, what we have been given as history, and speaks to the spirituality of our beingness, our origins, aliens, religionists, the luminous ones beyond the creation, and the creation itself.

The cosmologist in him looks to the stars, here he finds links to the present and future. As mundane Astrologer he sights and links the past.

There is a seamless thread that flows through the whole of this writing. It is a filament substanceless, yet more real than physical matter. It is a connection of oneness that permeates the energy field, and brings order, harmony and balance from out of the disturbed energy of chaos. Only the few who be in such place can project this.

St.Clair has linked so much in the life that is and that which is beyond. That so, so much that is fragmented in human awareness can be brought together. Can be seen and understood on the one page, the page of ones life. He does this with no projection of fear, the reader does not have to go into fear as NONE is projected.

A Pure Intelligence is at work in this writing.

So for those who want to taste, learn, and understand why this world is the way it is, where it is going, of the dramatic changes to come. What choices there are for the enormous potential that is you, then this is a must read.

As St.Clair states, " If we can predict the future, we can change it "

Highly Recommended."



In this external link -- MORE READERS REVIEWS of ZEN OF STARS -- which is constantly updated, as readers around the world share how they EXPERIENCE CHANGE in their lives during and after reading the book ZEN OF STARS . . . we can read how the book is perceived over time. This is an experiment in time perception just as much as it mirrors the progress of seekers seeking the seeking . . .

" F O R E S E E N " - sequel to Zen of Stars - is published.

See a preview by clicking into this window of time:

Safe Place Projects

(Hidden links in title & pictures)

In keeping with his proposed global network of safe places -- as outlined in Zen Of Stars -- St.Clair spends time between his home in Switzerland & Europe - and other places - advising clients globally where he helps to settle his first multi-dimensional safe places networks for sustainable living around the world. While it is an intense and time-consuming effort while St.Clair travels, he meets with clients to implement strategies that are useful to future sane living.

(Photo of icepans in safe place Newfoundland by Lisa Day)


Seekers and clients meet with him in exceptional retreat type settings of vast beauty - either in power-point type older cities or in an untouched nature - to discuss longterm change of direction. These meetings take place in Europe mainly, or in Newfoundland, or in the highlands of Japan, or also in Tasmania which will be next among the places of retreats.

Here some news from certain spots St.Clair has personally looked into:

Newfoundland & Labrador are in the process of finding a new "moral economy" - a term coined by its current Premier Danny Williams who has declared to the New World Order government in Ottawa that he sees the necessity for Newfoundlanders to be "Masters of Our Own House."

St.Clair salutes this development in the knowing that many Newfoundlanders want their independence and wish to see The Republic of Newfoundland, as he pointed out in his book ZEN OF STARS the importance of an economic place of sustainability to stand in autarch autonomy from government, economy and energy structures which are bound to fail systematically during the coming decade.


"Our primary message to Newfoundlanders and Labradorians today was that we will confidently move forward to strengthen Newfoundland and Labrador’s financial autonomy and strengthen our fiscal capacity to meet our own social and economic obligations," said Premier Williams.

"We will achieve this vision for our province by reducing Newfoundland and Labrador’s burden of debt on our children, diversifying our economic base, pursuing a fair fiscal balance between levels of government and reducing our dependence on equalization payments."

The Premier added that the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador has never been more ideally positioned to take control over its own destiny and lay out a path for renewal and economic prosperity.

Here is the full speech. See: "Masters of Our Own House"


Rich with history. Rife with culture.

And sprawling with natural beauty.

All these wonders have been here for thousands of years, embraced by those who happened upon them, since the now extinct Beothuks settled the lands. It’s up to the traveler to enjoy them, to go vigorously in search of people, adventure, of experience. Around every corner, around every bend, you will find a piece of heaven, a delightful sight, a playful breeze that will help your journey of inner and outer development. Click on this picture to see what Newfoundland and Labrador have to offer to the visitor who comes to stay in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Wikipedia on Newfoundland - facts & figures:

Read: "World Under Siege" - by St.Clair


Prospective clients see more:
International Consulting Services - by St.Clair

Please write to St.Clair at: passage11@linuxmail.org
to establish first contact.

David Byrne - external link: Solutions for Sustainable Living


David Byrne wrote about the book Zen of Stars:

"Michael St.Clair has done something very special with this publication. For he has gone places that few if any could go. As Cosmologist, Astrophysicist, Historian of the ancient world, Shaman, Researcher, Political Observer, and all of the other qualities and Learnedness that becomes him, has been brought to bare in this work.

St.Clair deals with topics that go beyond the drama projection of that which is portrayed as life. He does this in a fearless way, while dealing with difficult subjects.

He writes on the history of a time before, what we have been given as history, and speaks to the spirituality of our beingness, our origins, aliens, religionists, the luminous ones beyond the creation, and the creation itself.

The cosmologist in him looks to the stars, here he finds links to the present and future. As mundane Astrologer he sights and links the past.

There is a seamless thread that flows through the whole of this writing. It is a filament substanceless, yet more real than physical matter. It is a connection of oneness that permeates the energy field, and brings order, harmony and balance from out of the disturbed energy of chaos. Only the few who be in such place can project this.

St.Clair has linked so much in the life that is and that which is beyond. That so, so much that is fragmented in human awareness can be brought together. Can be seen and understood on the one page, the page of ones life. He does this with no projection of fear, the reader does not have to go into fear as NONE is projected.

A Pure Intelligence is at work in this writing.

So for those who want to taste, learn, and understand why this world is the way it is, where it is going, of the dramatic changes to come. What choices there are for the enormous potential that is you, then this is a must read.

As St.Clair states, " If we can predict the future, we can change it "

Highly Recommended."

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WORLD PEACE

Twenty years later,he was proven right.

J. Krishnamurti's talk to The United Nations

where he was presented - at age 90 - with

the United Nations 1984 Peace medal . . .





"I am supposed to talk on World Peace beyond the 40th anniversary of the United Nations.

Mankind, man, has lived on this earth over fifty thousand years, and perhaps much longer, or for less duration. During all this long evolution man has not found peace on earth - 'pacem in terris' has been preached long before Christianity, by the ancient Hindus and the Buddhists.

And during all this time man has lived in conflict, not only conflict with his neighbour but with people of his own community, with his own society, with his own family, he has fought, struggled against man for the last five thousand years, and perhaps more. Historically there have been wars practically every year. And we are still at war.

I believe there are forty wars going on at the present time. And the religious hierarchy, not only the Catholics but the other groups have talked about 'pacem in terris', peace on earth, goodwill among men. It has never come about - to have peace on earth. And they have talked about peace when you die and go to heaven and you have peace there.

One wonders, if one is at all serious, why man kills another human being - in the name of god, in the name of peace, in the name of some ideology, or for his country - whatever that may mean - or for the king and the queen, and all the rest of that business. Probably we all know this: that man has never lived on this earth, which is being slowly destroyed, and why man cannot live at peace with another human being.
Why there are separate nations, which is after all a glorified tribalism. And religions, whether it be Christianity, Hinduism, or Buddhism, they are also at war with each other. Nations are at war, groups are at war, ideologies, whether it is the Russian, or the American, or any other category of ideologies, they are all at war with each other, conflict.

And after living on this earth for so many centuries, why is it man cannot live peacefully on this marvellous earth? This question has been asked over and over again. An organization like this has been formed round that. What is the future of this particular organization? After the 40th year what lies beyond?
Time is a strange factor in life. Time is very important for all of us. And the future is, what is present. The future is now, because the present, which is also the past, modifying itself now, becomes the future. This has been the cycle of time, the path of time. And now, not beyond 40 years of this organization, but now, at the present time if there is no radical change, fundamental mutation, the future is, what is now. And that has been historically proved, and we can prove it in our daily lives.

So the question really is: whether human beings, you and us, sitting on the platform - I am sorry to be sitting up here - are human beings? And as long as we with each other, or with man and woman, are in perpetual conflict there will be no peace on this earth. One may talk about it endlessly. The Roman Catholic hierarchy talks about 'pacem in terris', and they have been also responsible for appalling wars in the past.

A hundred years of war, torture, all kinds of horrible things they have done to man. These are all facts, actualities, not the speaker's wish. And religions, are all facts, actualities, not the speaker's wish. And religions, including Islam, Hindus, Buddhists, and so on, they have had their own kind of war. And the future beyond the 40th anniversary is what is going on now.

One wonders if one realizes that. The present is not only the past, but also contains the future; the past modifying itself constantly through the present and projecting the future. If we don't stop quarrels, struggles, antagonism, hate, now it will be like that tomorrow. And you can stretch out that tomorrow for a thousand years, it will be still tomorrow.

So it behoves us to ask ourselves whether we, as human beings, single or a community, or in a family, whether we can live peacefully with each other? Organizations have not solved this problem. You can reorganize but war still goes on. So organizations, whether it is world organization or a particular kind of organization to bring about peace, such organizations will never succeed because human beings individually, collectively, nationally, are in conflict. Strong nations, like America or Russia, are at war with each other - economically, ideologically, and actually - not bloodshed yet.

So peace cannot possibly exist on this earth if there are nationalities, which, as we said, is glorified tribalism. Nationalities give certain security, man needs security and he invests in nationalism, or in a particular ideology or belief. Beliefs, ideologies and so on, have separated man. And organizations cannot possibly bring about peace between man and man because he believes in something, he believes in certain ideologies, he believes in god and others don't.

I wonder if one has ever considered, religions based on a book - like the Koran or the Bible - become very bigoted, narrow and fundamentalist. And religions like the Hindu and the Buddhist, they have many, many books, all considered sacred, real, straight from god's mouth! They are not so bigoted, they are tolerant, they absorb.

So there is this conflict going on: those who rely, put their faith in books, and those who do not put their faith in any book. So conflict between the book and those who accept multiple books. I wonder if one is aware of all this.
And we are asking deeply, if you are serious at all, whether you and I, and those of us who are involved in organizations, can live at peace with each other? Peace requires a great deal of intelligence, not just demonstrations against a particular form of war, against a nuclear or atom bomb and so on. Those are the products of minds, brains that are entrenched in nationalism, in some particular form of belief, ideology, so they are supplying armaments - the powerful ones, whether it be Russia, America, or England or France - armaments to the rest of the world, and they also talk about peace, supplying at the same time armaments.

It is a vast cynical world and cynicism can never tolerate affection, care, love. I think we have lost that quality - quality of compassion. Not analyse what is compassion - it can be analysed very easily. You cannot analyse love, love is not within the limits of the brain, because the brain is the instrument of sensation, it is the centre of all reaction and action, and we try to find peace, love, within this limited area. Which means, thought is not love because thought is based on experience, which is limited, and on knowledge, which is always limited, whether now or in the future.

So knowledge is always limited. And having knowledge, which is contained in the brain as memory, from that memory springs thought. This can be observed very simply and easily if one examines oneself, if one looks at one's own activity of thought, experience, knowledge. You don't have to read any book, or become a specialist to understand

So thought is always limited, whether it is now or in the future. And we try to solve all our problems, both technological, religious, and personal, through the activity of thought. Surely thought is not love, love is not sensation or pleasure, it is not the result of desire? It is something entirely different. To come upon that love, which is compassion, which has its own intelligence, one has to understand oneself, what we are - not through analysts, but understanding our own sorrows, our own pleasures, our own beliefs.

You know wherever you go, all over the world, mankind, human beings, suffer, for various reasons, it might be petty or some very, very deep incident which has caused pain, sorrow. And every human being on this earth goes through that on a minor scale or a tremendous incident, as death. And sorrow is shared by all mankind, it is not your sorrow or mine, it is mankind's sorrow, mankind's anxiety, pain, loneliness, despair, aggressiveness. So you, and we, are the rest of humanity, we are not separate human beings psychologically.

You may be a woman, or a man, you may be tall, dark, short and so on, but inwardly, psychologically, which is far more important, we are the rest of mankind. You are the rest of mankind, and so if you kill another, if you are in conflict with another, you are destroying yourself. You can observe this very, very carefully if you look at yourself without any distortion.

So there can only be peace when mankind, when you and I, have no conflict in ourselves. And you might say, "If one achieves, or comes to an end of all conflict within oneself, how will it affect the rest of mankind?" This is a very, very old question. This has been put thousands of years before Christ, if he ever existed. And we have to ask whether in ourselves sorrow, pain and anxiety, and all that, can ever end?

If one applies, looks, observes, with great attention, as you look with considerable attention when you are combing your hair, or shaving, with that quality of attention, heightened, you can observe yourself - all the nuances, subtleties. And the mirror is your relationship between human beings, in that mirror you can see yourself exactly as you are. But most of us are frightened to see what we are, and so we gradually develop resistance, guilt, and all the rest of that business. So we never ask for total freedom - not to do what you like, but to be free from choice.

Where there are multiple choices there are multiple confusions.

So can we live on this earth, 'pacem in terris', with great understanding of mankind, which is to understand yourself so profoundly, not according to some psychologist, analyst. They too have to be analysed. So we can, without turning to the professionals, as simple laymen we can observe our own idiosyncrasies, tendencies.

Our brain - the speaker is not a specialist about brain matter - our brain has been conditioned to war, to hate, to conflict. It is conditioned through this long period of evolution, whether that brain with its cells, which contain all the memories, whether that brain can free itself from its own conditioning.

You know it is very simple to answer such a question. If you have been going north all the days of your life, as humanity has been going in a particular direction, which is conflict, and somebody comes along and says, "That leads nowhere". He is serious, and perhaps you are serious. Then he says, "Go south, go east, any other direction but that". And when you actually move away from that direction there is a mutation in the very brain cells themselves because you have broken the pattern. And that pattern must be broken now, not forty or a hundred years later.

And can human beings have the vitality, the energy, to transform themselves to civilized human beings, not killing each other?"

After his talk to U.N., Krishnamurti took questions.The whole following exchange between K. and the U.N. is legendary.


Chairman: May we ask questions?
K: Yes, sir, ask any questions. Delighted!

Chairman: We have time for some questions and Mr Krishnamurti has kindly agreed to answer any questions you may ask. When you ask a question please raise your hand so that the sound will be connected. Thank you.

QUESTION: I am asking a question with regard to wanting a spiritual expression that I feel linked up with. Am I being heard? I don't think so. I feel there is a disconnecting sense that is being communicated to me. I would look forward to a spiritual connection to myself and fellow people in this group that would be an elevating sense. That is what I would look forward to experiencing at this lecture, a more uplifting spiritual sense of oneness, rather than an intellectual expression.

K: First of all, I don't understand the word 'spiritual'. Is it emotional, romantic, ideological, or something vague in the air; or facing actuality, what is going on now, both in ourselves and in the world? Because you are the world, you are not separate from the world. We have created this society, and we are that society. And whatever experiences one has, so-called religious and spiritual, one must doubt those very experiences, one must question, be sceptical. I wonder if you realize that the word 'scepticism', questioning, enquiring, is not advocated in the Christian world. Whereas in Buddhism, and Hinduism, that is one of the essential things, you must question everything, until you discover or come upon that truth, which is not yours, or any others, it is truth.

And this enquiry is not intellectual. Intellect is only a part of the whole human structure. One must look at the world and oneself as an holistic being. And truth is not something to be experienced. If one may point out, who is the experiencer apart from experience? Is not the experiencer part of the experience? Otherwise he wouldn't know what experience he has had. So the experiencer is the experience; the thinker is the thought; the observer, in its psychological sense, is the observed.

There is no difference. And where there is difference, separation, there comes conflict. With the end of conflict there is freedom, and only then truth can come into being. All this is not intellectual, for god's sake. This is something that one lives, and finds out.

QUESTION: You laid a great deal of stress on enquiry and scepticism. I wonder if you could tell me if faith plays a role in that too?

K: What is faith? What do you put your faith in? One has faith in some experience, one has faith in some belief, or in a symbol, and so on. Why does one have faith? Is it out of fear, out of uncertainty, out of a sense of insecurity?

When you have faith, for instance as a Hindu in some symbol, and you hold on to that faith, or to that symbol, then you are at war with the rest of the world. But to enquire gently, hesitantly, questioning, asking yourself, then out of that comes clarity. And there must be clarity to understand that which is eternal.

QUESTION: At the end you said that we need to break the pattern of conflict between man. My question to you is, do you see that as something of an evolutionary process that inevitably will happen? Or do you see it as something that we all have to work very hard to achieve? And there is an expression that goes something like this: in times of darkness the eye begins to see. And why I am throwing this at you because in a sense it is either going to happen, or it is not going to happen, but how do you see it happening?

K: I don't quite understand your question, sir.
Q: All right. You talk about breaking the pattern, man has a pattern, the brain has a pattern, and that pattern has to be broken in order for there to be peace in the world.

K: Of course.
Q: Now do you see the breaking of that pattern being an active movement, or a natural progression in the evolution of man?
K: Sir, have we evolved at all?
Q: I think we are continuously evolving.

K: So you accept evolution - psychological evolution, we are not talking about biological or technical evolution - psychological evolution. After a million years, of fifty thousand years, have we changed deeply? Aren't we very primitive, barbarous? So I am asking if you will consider whether there is psychological evolution at all? I question it.

Personally, to the speaker, there is no psychological evolution: there is only the ending of sorrow, of pain, anxiety, loneliness, despair and all that. Man has lived with it for a million years. And if we rely on time, which is thought - time and thought go together - if we rely on evolution then another thousand years or more, and we will still be barbarous.

Q: My question is: what would have to happen for there to begin to be psychological evolution as the speaker understands it?
K: What about psychological evolution? I don't quite understand the question.

Q: You have said that you do not think there has been psychological evolution. My question is: what can happen so that there will be, so that there can be, psychological evolution.

K: Madam, I am afraid we haven't understood each other. We have lived on this earth from the historical, as well as ancient enquiry, on this earth for fifty thousand years or more or less. And during that long period of evolution psychologically, inwardly, subjectively, we have remained more or less barbarous - hating each other, killing each other. And time is not going to solve that problem, which is evolution. And is it possible, we are asking, for each human being, who is the rest of the world, whether that psychological movement can stop and see something afresh?

Q: I wanted to ask you the same question phrased in a different way: what should we do in order to effect this resistance towards evolution. I just want to say one more thing. There was a Dr Bohm last month, he said the same thing you are saying in a different way, he is a scientist, he was explaining the same problem. I wonder what do you think we could we do right now in order to effect this?

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K: I have got it. What could you do right now? Right? Change completely! - both psychologically and outwardly. First the psychological revolution, not evolution, but revolution, change completely. That is the real action of humankind, not trying to fiddle around on the periphery.

QUESTION: You stated that an important condition for understanding humankind is beginning to understand ourselves clearly. Do you see that within these rooms within the next forty years, at the United Nations, that this understanding of humankind through understanding ourselves will become a part of global decision making?

K: I couldn't answer that question because I don't belong to the organization. Ask the bosses!

Q: I would like to add another note, perhaps a note of greater encouragement in my question. You indicated that organizations may not provide the answer, and you also indicated that the history of humanity would incline you to pessimism about the future or salvation. I think it depends upon the nature of the organizations and whether these are serving the interests of humanity and prepared to evolve, as the UN and many other groups evolve, and as humans evolve, provided we do not kill ourselves off and provided we can connect ourselves by the affection and respect for which our genes are also coded. There is no end to what we might do on or off this planet. And the implication there, which I share, is that we have evolved because we have the capacity for love and co-operation, and that we are not doomed because we manifest hate and fear and greed, and have succumbed in the past to iniquities like that. But by the very existence of the United Nations we have an illustration of man's capacity for growth and shared goals. I think that the present does contain the future and we by acting energetically in the present can affect our future and our survival. Therefore I ask, what is the answer to the question you raised about when one achieves peace within oneself, how will it affect the rest of humanity, given the time limits?

K: What is the question, sir?

Q: The question was: when one achieves peace within oneself how will it affect the rest of humanity without organizational structures?

K: I explained that, forgive me, sir, I explained it. To say, if I change how will it affect mankind, the rest of the world? That is the question, isn't it, sir? Wait a minute, sir.

Q: That is the question.

K: I think if I may most respectfully point out, that is a wrong question. Change and you will see what happens. This is really a very important thing. We have to put aside all the side issues. Please do realize something tremendous: that you are the rest of mankind psychologically.

You are mankind, whether you live in India, Russia, China or in America, or Europe, you are the rest of mankind, because you suffer, and everyone on this earth suffers in his own way. We share that suffering, it is not my suffering.

So when you ask a question: what difference will it make if I or you change, if I may most humbly point out, it is a wrong question. You are avoiding the central issue. And we never seem to face the central issue, the central challenge that demands that we live totally differently, not as Americans, Russians, Indians, or Buddhists or Christians.

I wonder if you have realized Christians have been responsible for killing humans far more than any other religious group. Don't get angry please! Then Islam, the Muslim world, then the Hindus and the Buddhists come much later. So if the so-called Christians, the Catholics included, about eight hundred million people, if they said, "No more wars", you will have peace on this earth. But they won't say that. It is only Buddhism, Hinduism, said, "Don't kill. If you kill" - they believe in reincarnation - you will pay next life. Therefore don't kill, don't kill the least little thing, except what you have to eat, vegetables and so on. But don't kill.'

We as Brahmins weren't brought up that way, not to kill a fly, not to kill animals for your food. But all that is gone. So please we are suggesting that the central issue to stop wars is, you must stop your own antagonisms, your own conflicts, your own misery and suffering.

Why do we choose, apart from physical things - two good materials, clothes, between cars? You choose there because of their function and mileage and so on. But psychologically why do you choose at all? Why is there this choice?

There is choice, you can move from one town to another, from one job to another - not in Russia, not in the tyrannical world, in the totalitarian world you are stuck in your place, you are not allowed to move - unless the bosses agree.

And in this country, in a so-called democratic societies, you have a choice to do what you like. And you call that freedom - to fulfil yourself, to become a great success. You have there tremendous choice. Now we are talking about choice in the psychological field. If you see things very clearly there is no choice. It is unfortunate that we don't see things clearly. We don't see clearly that nationalism is one of the causes of war.

We don't clearly see that ideologies breed wars, whether it is the Marxist ideologies, or Lenin, or our own particular form of ideologies. So we choose from one ideology to another, one religion to another, one group to another, and we think we are free. On the contrary, it shows confusion. And when we are confused we act in confusion, therefore multiply confusion, as the politicians are doing - forgive me.

Q: We have a written question here for Mr Krishnamurti. Do you believe in the so-called realized soul?

K: Do you believe in so-called realized souls? I don't know what it means. Just a minute, sir.

QUESTION: I'm sorry right now you are talking from a public forum and once this lecture is over probably you will return to a privacy that probably you cherish greatly. So there is for most human beings in this world a division between public life and private life. Could you comment on this division? Do you feel it leads to conflict, is it necessary?

K: Between public life and private life? Is that the question? Why do you separate this? Why do we separate public life as though something outside, and private life? If one lived correctly, precisely, not intellectually, but holistically, then there is no outward life and private life. Holistically, that is to live as a whole human being, not as a sectarian, not as an individual, not as a petty little mind, brain active in our self interest. Sorry if I am emphatic. Is that finished, sir?

Chairman: There are two more questions.
QUESTION: If you are living peacefully and the tyrant attacks, do you not defend?

K: What will you do then? If you live peacefully and a tyrant or a robber attacks you, what will you do? That is the question. Do you live peacefully for a day or two? Or you live peacefully all your life? If you have lived peacefully for many years then you will do the right thing when you are attacked.

Sirs, the speaker has been at this talking for the last sixty years, and more - all over the world except behind the Iron Curtain, before the war he was all over Europe - and these questions have been put to the speaker for sixty years.

The same pattern is being repeated by the young generation, by a civilization that is recent like America, the same questions, with the same intention, to trap the speaker, or to really understand the speaker, or to understand themselves. And if you have the misfortune or the fortune to have talked for sixty years you will know all the answers and all the questions. There is no difference between question and answer. If you understand the question really deeply the answer is in the question.

Chairman: Mr Robert Miller would like to ask a question.
QUESTION: Well it is not to ask a question, it is to congratulate you for your statement. And to confirm that having lived in this organization for almost forty years and having lived more than sixty years, I have come to the same conclusion as you. We are all being programmed, we are being programmed into a nation, into an ideology, into a religion. And all these are fragmented human beings. It took me forty years to be in this house to be de-programmed from the two or three nationalities imposed on me, each time I got also a gun to shoot at the other direction. And it is here that after having seen the world in its totality and humanity in its totality that I have come to the conclusion that it is more important to be a human being than to be a Jew, or a Catholic or a Frenchman, or a Russian, or a white, or a black.

K: Quite right.

Q: And in my book I will not kill under any reason, or for any nation, or for any religion, or for any ideology. This is the conclusion which is also yours.
K: Is it a conclusion, sir? Or an actuality?
Q: That is my actuality.
K: That's right. Not a conclusion.

Q: I am not arguing about religions but will remind that, 'an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth' is not exactly a Christian precept. On the contrary, Christ thought the peaceful way was to care for your fellow human beings, have compassion and love for one another. But I would like to know how to break this pattern of confrontation among human beings. I am not talking about States because States are formed by human beings and governments too, they are human beings that rule the countries. How can we break this pattern? How is it that mankind has not been able to practise such glowing thoughts as those that Christ wrote to us and were written also by all religions? I would like very much to see if we could find a formula, a solution to break that terrible pattern of confrontation, and hate even between families, as Krishnamurti has pointed out because it is not just war among nations, there is always a confrontation, even among children you see one is with Mama and the other one wants to be there. That pattern, how could we break it?

K: May I answer you question? We are programmed, like computers - we are Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists and so on. As Mr (?) pointed out, we are conditioned. Do we realize, or see actually, actually, not theoretically, or ideologically, but actually see that we are programmed? Or is it just a casual statement? If you are actually programmed do you realize the consequences of being programmed? One of the consequences has been hatred, or war, or separating yourself from others. If one realizes that you are being programmed, pressurized, preached at, and if one really sees that, you abandon it, you don't want a formula for it. The moment you have a formula then you are caught in it. Then you become programmed again because you have your programme and the other fellow gives you another programme. So what is important is to realize the actuality of being programmed, not intellectually, with all your blood, energy.

Chairman: "Because of the time element we will not be able to entertain any more questions. On behalf of the Pacem in Terris Society and the Movement for a Better World, we would like to thank our honoured guest speaker and Brother Fellow and Ambassador Barry who are the Honorary Presidents of the Society, and all of you who came to attend the lecture today.

I have a very simple ceremony before you leave. Mr Krishnamurti was here last year on the 17th April, just about the time we had the Pacem in Terris day. And this year we were very fortunate to have on the twenty second anniversary of the Pacem in Terris, and you have already heard about it.

On behalf of the Pacem in Terris Society at the United Nations, we have the honour of presenting you, Mr Krishnamurti, the World Teacher, with the United Nations 1984 Peace medal."

New York. United Nations 11th April 1985


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